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Interview with Charles Pailthorp

Recent Teaching History
How Can You Tell An American; 2000-1
Aesthetics: Music as Discourse; Spring 2000
Musical Aesthetics; Spring 1999
Fictional Sociology; Fall 1998 - Winter 1999
Romanticism, Modernism and After; 1997-98
Science, Art & Ideology in Social Context; 1996-97
Thinking and Feeling; 1995-96
Cult of Feeling; 1994-95

Recent and Current Areas of Interest

My teaching these days revolves around histories - social, political, cultural, economic - that help one discover, as Eric Hobsbawm more or less puts it, "how we came to be as we are and whither we are going." My more specific interests are, in this light, how and why we think and feel as we do: the relationship between reason and emotion, thinking and feeling, takes a good deal of my attention. And this, in turn, has led me to bring into my teaching a strong emphasis on music, both music history and musical aesthetics.
Consequently, I'm interested in helping students approach music critically as a cultural study, in a way that is comparable for such students to approach literature. I attempt to do this without presupposing a background in music theory or practice.

Are there particular authors/artists/thinkers whose work you interested and which you often ask students to examine?

Since my teaching and scholarship have taken a new turn in the last three or four years, I haven't yet developed a "canon" that I impose on students. There are many writers and artists who interest me, of course. Cliffort Geertz I find useful for his theory of interpretation. Many people have done and are doing excellent work in music history that relates music to larger issues of cultural and historical change, fromTheodore Adorno to Rose Subotnik and Charles Rosen. A particularly interesting group of writers are working from a feminist critical-theory point of view: besides Subotnik, Susan McCleary, Tia NeNora and others. I've also been rediscovering those philosophers who knew and loved music and who found it central in their thinking: from Schlegel and Schoppenhauer to Wittgenstein. Obviously I focus my teaching on Western Euro-American culture, but I'm also interested in the complex ways inwhich that culture has been shaped by African and Asian influences. What we most often think of as avant garde often has drawn heavily on non-Western sources, whether the genre is music, painting and sculpture or comics and animation. In broad terms, my orientation to history and cultural studies is similar to Eric Hobsbawm's, whose historical work I particularly admire.

Specific Skills, Competence, Techniques:

The skills of intelligent interpretation - analytic reading, expository writing, critical thinking (including some aspects of statistics), critical listening

What are key qualities you look for in student work? What techniques do you use to assess their work? How do you help students assess their work?

Has the student been able to turn the assignment into a task that has truly engaged him or her? For example, in "Feeling and Thought" I had a student who has been assigned a critical paper on Paradise Lost. He asked if he could write the paper in verse. Despite my skepticism, I suggested he take the chance. The result was wonderfully funny and witty: he had clearly engaged in a text in a way that was valuable. I appreciate the kind of thinking that take's the "faculty's work" and makes it "one's own work." Students must come to terms with an assigned curriculum in a way that makes sense to them, if they are going to get beyond mere "schooling."
I have no special "techniques" for assessing student work. I hope to avoid surprising them with my goals or expectations. I do my best to let them know what I count as successful.

Students often find it difficult to assess their own work. My role, I believe, is to tell them directly whether or not their work meet the standards I have set. I also find it useful (and difficult) to have them give honest, critical, feedback to one another, to tell one another, for instance, whether or not they actually do understand what another student has written or said.

Teaching Style:How would you characterize yourself as a teacher?

I am more one who thinks out loud than one who professes what he thinks he knows. I try to avoid telling students what I think they should know. I want students to engage the material in their own way. Students come to this institution, I insist, to discover their authority as learners, not to be certified as having mastered some body of material. (This is the "truth" behind our policy of not awarding degrees that identify undergraduate majors.) Helping students learn to collaborate well together is important to me, and one of the most practical skills we teach. A fundamental element in gaining authority is learning to grant it to others when it has been earned.

What types of students tend to do well with you?

I hope I work effectively both with those who do well "no matter what" and those who don't immediately see themselves as strong students. I'm reasonably patient. Students may find me arrogant at first, but I believe they won't find me insulting.

What types of students have a hard time with you?

Students who are impatient with theory have the hardest time with me: I'm often interested in issues that are abstract. On the other hand, my thinking runs less toward broad and general overviews than specific and detailed differences between artists, philosophers, cultures, historical periods... Students who want a Big (and simple) Picture won't be satisified with what I do.

What do your student evaluations say about the way you come across to students?

They say I am patient and listen well. One of my favorite evaluations called me a "stimulating teacher, sometimes to the point of paralysis." I need to remember not to offer too much, too fast. One of the qualities that has served me well at Evergreen is that I'm curious about a wide range of things.

Expectations about Contracts, Internships, and Evaluations
What qualities do you look for in a student who comes to you for work in a contract?

Prior success with independent projects is ideal. I am more open to working with students with whom I've worked in a program setting, and I prefer working with students whose interests overlap with my own. A sound project is also, in my experience, something that the student has planned into his or her larger curriculum: last minute, this-is-all-I-can-come-up-with-projects most often fail.

What information do you want to see when a person comes to look for a contract?

I look for evidence that the student is ready to carry out independent work. I expect the project to be well enough defined that the student can make a case that she or he can complete it in ten short weeks. The student should have a clear idea where to begin, how to proceed, and what will count as bringing it to an end. Of course the student must be prepared to present written work on a weekly basis, as well as a more finished outcome by the end of the quarter.


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